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		<title>By: basilandbiscuits</title>
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		<dc:creator>basilandbiscuits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rosemary “How women conspire to oppress women in fashion magazines for women, by women”!

That sounds like a really interesting thesis, I bet it was hard to get in the required word count, that&#039;s something that could be a tome! That one reason why I gave up reading the mainstream female magazines years ago because they really are just &quot;diet&quot;, &quot;how to look younger&quot;, and &quot;buy buy buy&quot;. Talk about trying to hammer in a message. It gets dull after a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rosemary “How women conspire to oppress women in fashion magazines for women, by women”!</p>
<p>That sounds like a really interesting thesis, I bet it was hard to get in the required word count, that&#8217;s something that could be a tome! That one reason why I gave up reading the mainstream female magazines years ago because they really are just &#8220;diet&#8221;, &#8220;how to look younger&#8221;, and &#8220;buy buy buy&#8221;. Talk about trying to hammer in a message. It gets dull after a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosemary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosemary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dena, thanks for the link - and for the piece, definitely some interesting points raised. I think that definitely girls diet for girls a lot of the time; when you&#039;re single you&#039;re in direct competition with other single females and I think a lot of the pressure comes from within what earlier feminists might have called the &quot;sisterhood&quot;, something I think we&#039;ve now utterly lost in any case.

I had a discussion with a friend of  mine this evening about the whole men and curves thing, and I reckon that, at a certain point in most men&#039;s lives, it&#039;s not as black and white as &quot;curvy is better&quot;. I think that the culture (of porn, degradation of women, objectification of the female form) that we&#039;re so immersed in now means that men will often go for a woman who fits the cultural ideals, but often in a very casual sense; so the woman he&#039;ll fancy as a trophy will often have a completely different figure to the woman he&#039;ll fancy as a partner. Any men care to give their tuppenceworth?

Oh and re the colleagues question: it&#039;s pretty much a fact that women in the workplace are valued on aesthetics, as they are in any sphere. Men don&#039;t have that pressure - a successful man, no matter what he looks like, is a successful man. A successful woman, on the other hand, if she is good-looking, it is often inferred that she got there by immoral means; if she is not, then she&#039;s probably a bitch, or a lesbian, and in any case a successful woman is often seen to have eschewed her femininity in place of &quot;power&quot;, which (duh) is a masculine trait. We&#039;ve come so far, I think, but there&#039;s so much farther to go, and it&#039;s fair to say that we (women) are our own worst enemies.

Full disclosure: this particular topic is a bit of a bugbear for me, I did my MA thesis on &quot;How women conspire to oppress women in fashion magazines for women, by women&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dena, thanks for the link &#8211; and for the piece, definitely some interesting points raised. I think that definitely girls diet for girls a lot of the time; when you&#8217;re single you&#8217;re in direct competition with other single females and I think a lot of the pressure comes from within what earlier feminists might have called the &#8220;sisterhood&#8221;, something I think we&#8217;ve now utterly lost in any case.</p>
<p>I had a discussion with a friend of  mine this evening about the whole men and curves thing, and I reckon that, at a certain point in most men&#8217;s lives, it&#8217;s not as black and white as &#8220;curvy is better&#8221;. I think that the culture (of porn, degradation of women, objectification of the female form) that we&#8217;re so immersed in now means that men will often go for a woman who fits the cultural ideals, but often in a very casual sense; so the woman he&#8217;ll fancy as a trophy will often have a completely different figure to the woman he&#8217;ll fancy as a partner. Any men care to give their tuppenceworth?</p>
<p>Oh and re the colleagues question: it&#8217;s pretty much a fact that women in the workplace are valued on aesthetics, as they are in any sphere. Men don&#8217;t have that pressure &#8211; a successful man, no matter what he looks like, is a successful man. A successful woman, on the other hand, if she is good-looking, it is often inferred that she got there by immoral means; if she is not, then she&#8217;s probably a bitch, or a lesbian, and in any case a successful woman is often seen to have eschewed her femininity in place of &#8220;power&#8221;, which (duh) is a masculine trait. We&#8217;ve come so far, I think, but there&#8217;s so much farther to go, and it&#8217;s fair to say that we (women) are our own worst enemies.</p>
<p>Full disclosure: this particular topic is a bit of a bugbear for me, I did my MA thesis on &#8220;How women conspire to oppress women in fashion magazines for women, by women&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: curlydena</title>
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		<dc:creator>curlydena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathryn - well done you! I lost about 2 stone last year &amp; love it. Got another to go, but am in no rush really (especially as I am tucking into a roast chicken as I type this!) But congratulations - it&#039;s hard work at times, but lovely when you&#039;re there isn&#039;t it. I have to say, I think you look fab! :D

Amy - get that post published! You&#039;re a stunning girl in my opinion, but if losing a bit will make you feel better, then go for it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathryn &#8211; well done you! I lost about 2 stone last year &amp; love it. Got another to go, but am in no rush really (especially as I am tucking into a roast chicken as I type this!) But congratulations &#8211; it&#8217;s hard work at times, but lovely when you&#8217;re there isn&#8217;t it. I have to say, I think you look fab! <img src='http://curlydena.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Amy &#8211; get that post published! You&#8217;re a stunning girl in my opinion, but if losing a bit will make you feel better, then go for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Dena,

Well as a lady who has just lost 2 stone I did not want to loose my curves either! I just wanted to loose the flab that made me not want to look in a mirror. The flab that had me buying size 16. The flab that made me hide in black. I did it totally for me but I don&#039;t want to go too far so the loss stops here. Am still curvy - I hope ;)

PS I agree with Amy....you are fabulous! x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Dena,</p>
<p>Well as a lady who has just lost 2 stone I did not want to loose my curves either! I just wanted to loose the flab that made me not want to look in a mirror. The flab that had me buying size 16. The flab that made me hide in black. I did it totally for me but I don&#8217;t want to go too far so the loss stops here. Am still curvy &#8211; I hope <img src='http://curlydena.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>PS I agree with Amy&#8230;.you are fabulous! x</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dena

I agree with you entirely-curvy is better! I know I harp on a lot about my weight but at 5ft2in its more an issue with buying clothes for me than anything else as a few pounds do not sit well on me! I would have no time for a man who has an issue with my weight but I will admit to caring what other women think of me! At the moment I am incredibly uncomfortable with my weight and even have an unpublished post written! Thanks for this post though-feeling a wee bit better!

PS You are fabulous!</description>
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<p>I agree with you entirely-curvy is better! I know I harp on a lot about my weight but at 5ft2in its more an issue with buying clothes for me than anything else as a few pounds do not sit well on me! I would have no time for a man who has an issue with my weight but I will admit to caring what other women think of me! At the moment I am incredibly uncomfortable with my weight and even have an unpublished post written! Thanks for this post though-feeling a wee bit better!</p>
<p>PS You are fabulous!</p>
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